Welcome to Episode Seven, Season Two. NASA documented the 2020 tied with 2016 as the warmest year on record, caused primarily by fossil fuels, rising greenhouse gases and human activity. There is also record low Arctic sea ice, which is declining at a rate of 13.1% per decade. And today’s guests aptly describe the Arctic as the ground zero of global warming, as three quarters of our planet’s freshwater is frozen, and it is melting fast.
But we can turn things around. And I’m delighted to introduce you to the Arctic’s two biggest activists, Melissa Schaefer, and Fredrick Granath, who are photographer and producer partners in life and work. They are based in Stockholm, London, which is a Norwegian Arctic town in Svalbard region and the world. Melissa has always viewed the world through her camera lens and has a background in creative and portrait photography, and an incredible eye which is evident through her work, just check her Instagram. She has a deep love for the Arctic and polar bears as well and is fiercely protective of the planet.
Fredrick also an environmental activist has been on the ice since 2001 and is a leading expert in fieldwork and production in the polar regions. He has also been a producer and an advisor on a host of other projects and both Melissa and himself have been working with various production and film partners, including National Geographic.
They are also authors of a new book called Polar Tales, a book that brings their fieldwork, Arctic documentation, and the fascinating story of the polar bear to beautiful life. And you will marvel at the photos and the intense stories and the extreme conditions they’ve endured but the real message is that we are in urgent need of change. And whether we know it or not, the Arctic does affect us all. The planet is warming and Melissa and Fredrick are observing the change firsthand on the ice, with polar bear populations and other wildlife in decline. food scarcity, extreme temperatures, and of course, the ice melting.
Today is a message from Melissa and Fredrick direct from the polar bear, that we are all connected wherever we are in the world and that we are at the tipping point of climate change. But we are here today to share stories, to inspire and to ignite action to turn this around. I hope you enjoy the episode.
Angela: Fredrick and Melissa, thank you so much for joining me on PROTECT today.
Fredrick: Thank you you so much. It’s a pleasure and an honour to be here.
Angela: Oh, the honour is all mine. So let’s introduce you to everybody. Could you let me know how you found yourselves working as advocates for the Arctic, and your primary focus, which is the polar bear.
Fredrick: Maybe I will begin because I’ve been doing it the longest. I was working with advertising and design actually a long time ago and came to Svalbard Spitsbergen, just out of curiosity, and completely fell in love with the ice and the landscapes and incredible scenery up there. And back then at least there was no – in my opinion, beautiful book made about the region. So I set out to try to make a book, a beautiful book with photographs about the beauty of the Arctic.
And then you know, I started out knowing very little about anything and through the years, the short trips, the short hikes turned into expeditions and longer and longer and I think one year I spent 10 months out of 12 in the field up there. Over the years closer and closer to the polar bear also, you know, from having it as a little dot two miles away to actually smell it’s breath, and learning more about who this incredible creature is, and how positive the polar bear actually is connected to all of us, no matter if we’re in Sweden, Australia or South America.
What happens with the polar bear affects us all. We are connected to it. Also, through the years, of course more and more. You know, climate change has accelerated especially in the Arctic. But there’s work that began with wanting to describe the beauty of the Arctic has evolved it’s still about the same thing, really, because that’s what we want to do. We want to make feel people feel something and experience this amazing world of eyes, you know, through our eyes and now through the eyes of the polar bear, then that’s basically what we’re doing.
And now since five, six years working with this fabulous, amazing, beautiful soul. Melissa Scheffer has turned everything upside down, because now things really has meaning in 1,000 ways. And yeah, that’s what we’re doing basically working with the polar bear, we want to tell the polar bear story. We want the polar bear to tell stories about us.
Angela: Fantastic. Well, Melissa, you’re wildly talented. I’ve been following you for a while on social media.
Melissa: Thank you so much.
Angela: And I love your little stories as well. So let me know about climate change. What have your observations been, particularly on polar bear populations, the ice melting as we know – what’s happening?
Fredrick: Well, it is happening fast. And it’s easier for me maybe to talk about it since I’ve been on Spitsbergen and in Svalbard for more or less 20 years now. And trying to compare what it looks like now with what it looked like 10, 15 years ago is like describing to different places, especially winter time, spring time, like a new map up there with enormous loss of sea ice.
Fredrick: And you have at least parts of Spitsbergen, you have an ecosystem, which basically is collapsing as we speak up because of the sea ice disappearing. And the sea ice, of course, is the home of the polar bear. It’s where it finds its food, up to 99% of the food. It eats the seals who are resting and breeding on the ice. When the ice disappears, the polar bear also disappears. It’s pretty tragic.
Angela: Mmm, that is just so disheartening. So the polar bear, you’ve just published a book called Polar Tales, which is visually brilliant. And there are some really beautiful stories that make you pause. I personally try to envision myself in the moment with you on the ice. You guys are quite courageous. And can you tell us more about the polar bear? You describe them as the King of the Arctic. From my readings, they seem to live a life of solitude unless they’re with their family. So what truly fascinates you about the polar bear, and what is a day in their life like?
Fredrick: Well, the polar bear is a wanderer. He’s walking around looking for life, looking for food, more or less constantly. The polar bear also likes to sleep very much and rest and conserve energy. So when conditions are bad, you know, it’s bad visibility, or there’s a storm or so, or the sea ice is gone for months, then the polar bear just lays down and rests and conserves the energy, it has to be able to explode in power in a way which is impossible to describe with words or photographs or film for that matter. You need to see it with your own eyes. It’s so incredibly powerful, this this creature, it’s amazing how this cute and beautiful thing also is the leanest and meanest killing machine on this planet – top of the food chain.
Melissa: Yes, you
Angela: Yes, you did mention that. So are they aggressive from what you’ve observed, or just when they need to be?
Fredrick: Just when they need to be we would say. I mean, the polar bears are – I think we say that in the book – they’re kind of like us humans. They’re all different. They’re all individuals. And that’s also what makes this so fun and interesting for us is that you meet the new polar bear and it takes a little while before you begin to figure out who this guy or girl is, what he or she wants. So I mean, one thing they all have in common is that they’re very curious. They want to check you out and see what you are who you are because in most cases, these bears that we meet, they haven’t seen a human being before. So they kind of look at you and wonder what is that?
Melissa: And then decide if they’re going to eat you.
Angela: Have you had any situations where you have been concerned for your safety?
Fredrick: Well, I have in the past, but I don’t know 2,000 or 3,000 bears that I’ve met probably up close, maybe 10 have been aggressive and clearly wanted to eat me. So it’s very rare. Like we say, out of 1000 bears, you know, all of them are curious and one or two is probably a psychopath, just like us humans, they do exist. And then of course, also out there in the field when we are working with the bears on the ice, we’re pretty much in control of the situation and if a bear seems a little too curious about us, or perhaps too hungry and looks at us and thinks, “Oh that’s, you know, a German dinner and Swedish meatballs,” and we just back off and leave. We don’t put ourselves or the bear in a dangerous situation.
Fredrick: The more dangerous situation sometimes can be around the camp, we often stay in these small cabins that you have around Svalbard. It’s like small hunter cabins built by polar bear hunters about 100 years ago. And they still exist there and that’s where we stay and sometimes when you know, you come out in the morning to do your morning business, a bear might stand there, right outside the door, or around the corner.
Fredrick: So and also this cabin, after a while, it becomes sort of a magnet for the bears because the Arctic is a world of ice and snow, there’s very little smell, and very few things that kind of stick out. So this cabin becomes yeah, kind of like a magnet for the bears. Because we live there, we cook food, we do the dishes, we go to the toilet, and so on. So they can smell this cabin from miles away.
Melissa: I wasn’t really in a dangerous situation with a bear but I think I was concerned a few times like when we’re standing on the sea ice, or when we’re travelling out there, and the weather changed. That was one of the moments when I was super nervous, because with a bear, you have to be in control and you have to make a decision when you see a bear even when it’s far away, and watch him and decide, should we back off or is it okay that we’re here? With the weather you can’t do that, with the sea ice you should obviously know what you’re signing off. But for me always more uncertain feeling standing on the sea ice than having a bear in front of me.
Angela: Yes, that’s a concern. And I did see one of your Instagram posts on the ship in that raging ocean. That was quite intense. I would have been so sick.
Melissa: Yeah, I’m getting actually very fast, sadly, seasick. Like he can walk around the boat, he doesn’t have a problem with it but I’m very sensitive with that.
Angela: I guess like anything, it comes with experience. And you probably know now where you can stand where you might only have a few minutes on the ice. I imagine.
Fredrick: People always ask about the polar bear and how dangerous it is and yes, it is dangerous. It often considers us as food as opposed to other predators. You know, we are in control of the situation, we know how to read the signals and their behaviour. The dangers lie in the geography and the weather up there, the sea ice and the glaciers that we travel over and whether they can change in a minute, that is what is dangerous.
Angela: You’re really working with some harsh elements there. So I want to talk about the mother polar bear who are quite prominent in your book. And from reading, they seem quite nurturing.
Fredrick: Yeah, they are. I think that’s maybe our favourite part of what we’re doing is when we’re able to spend time with mothers with cubs, especially new small cubs – cubs of the year, and see how they live and learn. She teaches them and how they play like puppies and the love that you can see the connection you can see between the creatures, it’s amazing.
Angela: So as well as the sea ice and food sourcing do polar bears experience any other climate challenges?
Fredrick: No, I would say the main threat to the polar bear is climate change, of course, because when the sea ice disappears then the polar bear will have nowhere to go, it’s happening also too fast for the bears to adapt to new conditions. You know, that’s how the polar bear became the polar bear through changes in the climate. I think scientists believe that it was a group of brown bears who became sort of isolated in an area of Siberia and the climate got colder and over the years, they adapted and became the product. But now the conditions are changing too fast for the bears to adapt. That’s the main threat. But you have other threats also – poaching and hunting, for example, they’re shooting way too many bears.
Angela: Is that not illegal?
Fredrick: Well, in parts of the Arctic, yes. On Svalbard, no bears are hunted. It’s been forbidden since I think 1972. But on Greenland and also in Canada, you do have legal hunting, parts of it is happening, I think, in a pretty good way, because it’s been the way of life for many of these inuits for a very long time and it’s difficult to – for them to do something else. But then you also have parts of Canada, especially where these licences can be sold. So you have the trophy hunters coming, killing hundreds of bears, and that’s not okay. I don’t have the numbers now in my head, but for sure too many bears are being killed legally at the moment, especially in Canada.
Angela: Right, okay so there needs to be some advocating for that now, is that what you’re trying to do with your expeditions as well?
Fredrick: Well, we were talking about the polar bears, but everything about the polar bear, but our work is more focused on climate and what we can see with our own eyes. That’s our focus. There are other people advocating about the hunting in a very, very good way. That’s more of a political issue, I suppose. You know, and also, it’s also the kind of thing that should be quite easy to stop. And that’s the thing when you talk about threats to our nature and our planet, you know, there are different issues like plastic, for example, single use plastic, I mean, there’s an easy solution, stop using it. It’s very easy. Same thing with hunting, just stop shooting them. Climate change is such a complex and big issue, because it has to do with everything we do. Also this conversation now that we are having is affecting the climate, through electricity, and so on. So it’s, it’s very complex.
Angela: Yes, definitely. So in Australia, we speak a lot about climate change and I mentioned to you I think earlier, that there is a lot of talk about plastic pollution, ocean pollution, deforestation, and the Arctic doesn’t come up, it really doesn’t. So we know that ice is melting, the polar bear and the Arctic wildlife are in danger. So what can we tell people about how this will affect cities, our livelihood?
Fredrick: A number of things to begin with?The thing is that our two poles, the North Pole area and the South Pole area, they work as sort of our planet’s air conditioner, or refrigerator and they help regulate our global climate. So when these melt the energy from the sun that hits the Arctic, for example, as it is, now when there is ice, this energy is reflected back into the atmosphere. But when the ice disappears, and the snow disappears, the energy is absorbed instead. So warming accelerates, and also, the region helps regulate our global climate. So when the ice disappears, and our climate begins to change, the whole climate system goes into sort of a state of disorder, it’s not imbalanced.
Fredrick: So it will mean not only warmer, a warmer climate, but also a more unstable climate and a more unpredictable climate, which you know, in the long run will threaten the production of food. For the billions of people on this planet. Farmers, they need a predictable climate when they grow the food. So when they don’t know when spring is or when summer is, everything becomes more difficult. And I think maybe that’s the main thing that everyone will see. And then of course, also, you have sea level rise, when the ice of the land melts and becomes part of the ocean, the sea level rises. And I think all of us have seen reports in the media about it with doomsday scenarios where Florida disappears, Holland disappears, a lot of areas of Southeast Asia just disappear underwater. And you have, you know, hundreds of millions or either billions of people will lose their home. You know, the effects of that will go far beyond talking about climate, then we’re talking war.
What happens when hundreds of millions of people from one country invade another country just because they don’t have a home anymore. It’s such a huge issue and the potential threat of it is so big, it’s maybe – maybe that’s why it’s so difficult to talk about it and difficult to get things going. You know, when you talk about it is like you’re talking about, you know, the day after tomorrow, a New Hollywood film, it’s people just don’t believe what I’m talking about, because it’s too unrealistic. But it is on the horizon for us unless we do something and that’s the next thing that whatever we do to try to halt climate change, we don’t see the effects of it ourselves, you know, next year or in five years, the effects we see maybe in 10 20 years, in 50 years, so whatever we do, now, we do it for our children, we do it for our grandchildren. And that also makes it into a moral issue. Are we short sighted and greedy? Do we care about whatever money we make this year and next year, or do we care about what our grandchildren will have in front of them in you know, 50 years? That makes it a moral issue?
Angela: Yes, definitely.
Melissa: I think the problem with climate change is also like he said, it’s invisible. I mean, everyone heard about it, everyone read about it, everyone knows about it but no one feels like it’s something, you can point the finger – like this is happening. And there I see people dying. Like when you take, for example COVID-19. You see, immediately people are dying. So everyone got in a panic, everyone is like, we have to do something, we need lockdown, we need masks, we need rules, we need to change something, we need to figure out how we can live better. And even COVID-19, I would say has something to do with climate change how we treat our planet, we talk about COVID, by climate change just disappears again, because you cannot point the finger at it. And this is what makes me personally super upset also, because it’s connected. This belongs together.
You know, now everyone reacts to COVID-19. And if that’s over, I’m afraid that people just go back to normal. And this cannot happen because if people just go back to – I don’t think about this, and I travel now everywhere again, and I don’t think about my footprint. COVID in another way will happen again.
Angela: Yes, I agree. That’s a really thoughtful way to look at it, Melissa. Thank you. And I think you’re right. It’s just not tangible. It’s not in front of us all the time. And yeah, the effects aren’t to be seen but we still have to invest that time we have to do our bit, definitely.
So let’s talk about the connectiveness which we just discussed, because you talk about that in your book, which I love about staying connected wherever we are to the planet. So could you elaborate on that a little bit?
Fredrick: Well, like Melissa talked about here that I think the main issue, but our goal is, and I think the goal or many other great nature and wildlife photographers is to understand this how everything and everyone is connected, that we are part of the natural world and a part of ecosystems, which are in perfect balance until we step in and mess it up. You know, the main thing is that all our actions have consequences. All of them, not only for ourselves, but for life for far away everything we do matters. And everything on this planet, all the flowers, all the trees, all the human beings are connected. That’s what we need to understand.
And as for this connection to nature, which we think is incredibly important. Of course, it’s more difficult for people living in areas where you don’t have these mountain ranges or incredible forests or beautiful nature around you. You do have nature around you. Still you have parks, you have backyards you have birds, you know, there is beauty everywhere. And like we I think write in the book, we can see a squirrel or we call them “Bambi’s”, but deer in our garden here in Stockholm, and we can be you know, filled with just as much or admiration and love for that as for a polar bear on the ice. We get just as excited, you know, from the hedgehog here, sometimes. So I think that’s important, the connection to nature and the you know, understanding that everything is connected and that all our actions have consequences. You don’t live in a bubble.
Angela: Every living thing has value. I like to think of it. Okay, so let’s talk about your day on the ice and your expeditions. Other than loving what you do, do you go out for a few weeks or months to document the Arctic and the polar bear to get this climate change message across? I’d love to know how long that takes. And I did read in your book, you may only get one photo or no photo. What does it entail?
Melissa: Yeah, that depends always I mean, often we plan of course where we can go, how are the conditions where we can sleep? But often it depends on the weather. It depends on how we’re feeling, of course, because if you like can’t sleep or something and don’t have energy, you cannot go out stand in front of a polar bear. I mean, you need to also look at yourself, like, how am I feeling and can I do this now.
And sometimes it’s really – like my first polar bear was not even two minutes on the ice, and she was just standing there and sometimes you go out and there is no polar bear at all. You know, that’s how it is. That’s also important to know because often people of course, when they see the photos we take, they get the impression of, “If I’m going to go to the Arctic, I’m going to see a polar bear, if I take a day trip,” but this is not how it happens, it’s not a zoo. So it can also be that he out there for two months and there there’s no polar bear, like nothing. And you have to be okay with that. And I learned also in the beginning, of course, it was all about the polar bear for me when I just came to the Arctic but just everything around the polar bear is as beautiful. So you don’t have to have a polar bear in front of you.
But like, when you’re out there, you kind of go with your – I would say, with your feeling, like, how long do we stay? I mean, of course, it depends also, how much food do we have with us, and we get like super wet and cannot dry our clothes. Of course, we have to go back to the city. But the thing is, you cannot really plan, what’s going to happen. You have to go out there and it just it comes to you.
Angela: That’s right. So sometimes you’ll extend or, or come back earlier, whatever is required.
Fredrick: We do two different kinds of fieldwork, sometimes we go out just the two of us travelling on snowmobiles, and staying in these cabins that we talked about earlier. And then it can be anything from you know, a couple of days to much longer. And then we also do expeditions with a ship/boat that we charter, also during winter and spring, mostly, those are very different ways of travelling around.
Angela: So how can an everyday citizen support you in this fight? What can someone like myself or the listeners do today?
Fredrick: Well, I would say, learn about climate change. It’s very easy online, it’s on the Google machine. There’s a lot of not fake information available. Start by doing that, then talk to friends and family about it, raise your voice, join others in NGOs, like Greenpeace, like Sea Legacy. That’s a very good start, post about it, social media, talk about it buy our book. You know, learn and talk about it. And then start also, of course, learning what you can do.
One very important thing is voting. I think we also mentioned that in the book. And there are many ways of voting, you do it in elections. If you’re happy enough to live in such a country, then use your right to do it. Vote for someone who cares about our future but you also vote with your wallet every single day.
When you go to the store, when you buy something, if it’s a new car, or if it’s an apple, you approve of that product, you approve of how it was produced, and you vote for the company that produced it. Another thing is food. You know, we’re vegan, and we don’t expect everyone to be vegan but what we eat also affects the climate very much. Try to have a meat free day of the week, or even two, try to buy locally produced food and products and consume less buy secondhand. If you need a new anything, see if you can get it used and it’ll probably look much cooler than you know getting it from IKEA or H&M.
Melissa: I always do like the easy answer here but like from experience is also dare to talk about it. Because I often thought, I’m not Frederick, I haven’t lived there for 20 years, I haven’t seen the tech changes with my eyes. I’m not allowed to talk about it. But I can talk about it. Because I don’t know enough or I don’t know the reports, like the numbers out of my head. But you know, it’s also important, like, share the feelings, share what you think, talk to other people. Even when you don’t have the numbers, maybe someone else has the numbers or you’re learning together and make a fun thing out of it. I’m more like emotionally involved, but not like in my head.
Melissa: Often when you talk especially about the Arctic and climate change, there’s lots of numbers, and it’s sort of science and graphics and I’m always like a little lost there but that’s okay. Also, if you’re interested in the Arctic, if you’re interested in our planet, if you’re interested in the life on our planet, just dare to talk about it with whatever is right for you. You know, if you just talk about your feelings, if you love numbers, if you love watching the news, or podcasts or whatever, just do it.
Angela: Thank you both some great advice on how easy it is to contribute in what may seem small and Melissa, it’s wonderful that you are using your voice because people like myself and others are listening.
I have interviewed a lot of people in animal conservation and in oceans, and they’ve all said to me the 10 years, the 10 years to turn things around. So about two days ago, I listened to David Attenborough talk to United Nations and say it’s looking bleak. So I reach out to you and I asked what your opinions from what you’ve observed out in the Arctic?
Fredrick: Well, we are very optimistic, mostly optimistic about most things in life, but we can turn this around for one simple reason – we have to. And I also think that the reactions to COVID and how the world is actually going to turn this around, even though it’s going to take some time shows that we actually can react and act. And when it comes to climate change, that will be the next big thing. And it’s 1,000 times bigger and 1,000 times more dramatic and dangerous and threatening than COVID. So we will have to deal with it.
And I think that will, there are good things happening, we have a new up and coming generation with people like Greta Thunberg coming, you know, striking on Fridays and raising their voices and causing hell for the old and tired. There are good things happening. So yes, we can do this, and we will do this.
Angela: Excellent. That was a great answer. Nice and positive. Thank you.So let’s finish on a lighter note. Could you let me know about a story of a memorable polar bear experience or Arctic experience that you ha? Both of you- either together or separately?
Fredrick: There are many, but I think maybe the one that stuck out to me a lot was the first time when we came to the Arctic together, which actually is also how our book begins. It was on New Year’s Day, about five years ago now. When you know, I had been working in the Arctic for a long time and me and Melissa were coming there together for the first time and we had been looking forward to midwinter Arctic and freezing temperatures and polar bears and everything and I wanted to you know, show this world to her and we flew to Pittsburgh, and we landed in the morning of New Year’s Day.
Melissa: But wait, in Stockholm, we had like minus 10 or something and snow for six weeks or something.
Fredrick: Yeah, we had like a winter paradise at home here in Sweden, and we’re going to an even more wintery paradise on Svalbard. But when we landed, it was of course pitch black because it was polarised. But it was also raining. It was raining cats and dogs for days and that was so weird and scary in in many ways. But that year and this memory is I guess more about our first winter and spring together up there. It really started terribly bad but it was also kind of a wake up call in many ways about what this really is about. And that winter later turned into something very beautiful. You know, it started with this rain but then a few months later, we came out on the sea ice east of Spitsbergen together and
Melissa: Met Helen.
Fredrick: Melissa’s first polar bear and I’ve met 1,000s of bears, but she is the most beautiful one for so many reasons.
Melissa: Yeah, even now when I look at the photos, because it was my first time out, it was my first time on a snowmobile – kind of- for a long drive. It was my first time standing on sea ice. There was a lot of first times going on there. So I was not expecting to see a bear. I was blown away even just from driving over a glacier or slalom through this blue ice or stuff like that. I mean, that’s so beautiful. And then she was there. There was also this iceberg and because that was like the first time I saw that also the landscape. For a second I thought this is just how it looks, this is how it goes but now when I look back, that was like the most beautiful background, it was the most beautiful light, it was the most beautiful bear. She was so relaxed. It’s like unreal. We’ve met so many bears now but often you have this flash or you have – they’re far away or you know, you don’t want to get close there – you back off or it’s not nice weather to take good photos. And that was just – even when I look at it now it’s even more perfect than it felt at that moment.
Angela: She set it all up for you. And what is happening this year with you two, what’s the year looking like?
Melissa: Well we’re hoping though we’re able to go back, we had a plan now I want you to be there next month but we had to cancel the trips. That’s very sad, but of course we understand it but we really hope that end of summer that we can go up there. Until then, you know, we have, it’s not like we’re bored here, we have a lot to do. But I’m really longing for nature. I’m longing for the ice and the wind and just going out and even, like, I’m getting seasick, like I said, but I would get seasick for two weeks, just to see this mountain, you know, I will take it. It’s okay. I mean, we also have our dogs here. So it’s not like we, we don’t have anything to do, we have nature here. So, I mean, we’re not living in the city. So we’re in the forest all the time.
Angela: Well, I hope you get the opportunity to get out as soon as possible. Well, look, Fredrick and Melissa, this has been such a fascinating chat and I’m so grateful for your time and your work. You do so much work for conservation and the climate change story and supporting me because I’m just trying to get my voice out there as well, as you mentioned.
So for everyone out there, I’ll put Fredrick and Melissa’s Instagram pages in the show notes, and you must get their book Polar Tales. It is such a beautifully written book. The images are just breathtaking and if you want to be educated on climate change, it is a fantastic start. So thank you again, guys.
Fredrick: Thank you, Angela. It’s been it’s been awesome.
Melissa: Thank you so much.
Angela: Thank you for joining me on PROTECT. I hope you found this episode valuable. You can reach out to Melissa and Fredrick and buy their book Polar Tales at themotherbear.com. And if you game even consider joining them on an expedition, I know I’m thinking about it. I’ve also put links to their social media portals, which are filled with stunning imagery and stories, and come and get involved with the conversation on climate change. I’ll be there too. Again, if you liked this episode, please subscribe or let me know over on Instagram at Angela Fedele. I truly hope this episode has left you inspired to make some changes today. And with a new love and respect for the polar bear and the ice. I’ll see you next week.